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Please help the Goliath Grouper please read

Postby lance » Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:40 am

the Goliath grouper is one of the top predators in the Atlantic ocean and the Caribbean. Several fishing groups are attempting to get the Goliath grouper fishery reopened on a fish that is already ecologically extinct (no longer has the controlling role it used to have in the ecosystem). The goliath grouper needs continued protection so it can hopefully someday return to an ecologically important role.

There is a petition to stop the reopening of the goliath grouper fishery. Please sign the petition to protect this ecologically important predator:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/pro...liath-groupers

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Re: Please help the Goliath Grouper please read

Postby JimWelsh » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:59 am

I signed, but had to enter "Goliath" in the "Find a petition" box, because the posted link is broken for some reason. Thanks, Lance!
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Re: Please help the Goliath Grouper please read

Postby jadeguppy » Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:37 am

Signed it and two others.
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Postby William » Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:53 am

The link no longer works. But I would have not signed it yet anyway. So the fishermen say that it has recovered. The anti-fishermen say that it has not. Does either side have any evidence? I'm not going to take either side's word for it. Before I take sides on the argument I would like to see some real scientific evidence.

My own personal experience diving in the FL Keys, says that either it is sufficiently recovered to sustain some fishing pressure or that all of the other large groupers need protection as well. At least on the popular diving location in the Keys Jewfish are far more abundant than any of the other large groupers.
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Re: Please help the Goliath Grouper please read

Postby e-dog » Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:58 pm

Let me play devils advocate on this one. I suppose that I may have more experience diving and fishing these reefs than most signing this petition so I'd like to offer my opinion. What is happening out here in Florida is an overfishing of legal grouper species (blacks, gags, reds) by recreational and commercial fisherman. The fisheries managers are trying to change this by closing the season for a few months, but it will probably take much more than that to bring their numbers back. They have a tough job of managing a lot of people's interests and still maintaining healthy populations of fish.
With no pressure on the goliath grouper for years, the numbers have skyrocketed. There are several wrecks that we dive that will hold dozens of these fish without another grouper species to be found. I dive a bouy directly off of where I work that contains 40 to 50 of them up to 500 lbs. Sometimes there will be one large white fish in the middle of the group. A male I think. Pretty neat to see, but again, no other grouper species to be seen. In my non-scientific census, I would have to put the numbers of goliath grouper at 10 to 1 over the other groupers. That is most definitely not the natural ratio of these fish and most local fisherman and divers believe that the over-abundance of goliath groupers is greatly altering the ecosystem. To maintain a more natural or "healthy" balance of all these predators, the fisheries managers have to open up this species for harvest. I really hope this petition doesn't change their minds, but I don't think it will. The proposals that I have seen call for a very regulated harvest. It needs to be done.
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Re: Please help the Goliath Grouper please read

Postby C-Aquafarm » Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:17 pm

Signed it and some friends did it too
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Re: Please help the Goliath Grouper please read

Postby lance » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:47 am

sorry the link broke for some reason when I posted it. more that sign it the better for the well being of the goliath grouper please tell everyone you can and get them to sign. this link should work sorry for the mess up.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/protec ... h-groupers

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Re: Please help the Goliath Grouper please read

Postby William » Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:16 am

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Re: Please help the Goliath Grouper please read

Postby hawgdawg » Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:30 am

Acroporas is right on the money. People are going to sign this petition without even knowing the true status of the species. The reality is that there needs to be a controlled and limited harvest of this species if there is to be any sort of ecological balance. They have overtaken reefs and wrecks along the east coast. It's just not natural to see 50 goliaths on a wreck, and not a single other grouper.
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