Captive Care, Collection and Breeding of Mccullochi Clowns

Captive Care, Collection and Breeding of Mccullochi Clowns

Postby mrblue » Thu May 31, 2007 10:38 am

Thought it would be fitting to title this thread with the same name I used for my very first thread about Mcc's. I suppose that thread was the question, and this one the answer.

Heres a few pics for starters and I will try and get to the story soon, that is if people are interested...

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Hope these pics are a little better then my last effort :roll: .
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Postby Colby » Thu May 31, 2007 1:06 pm

I am so envious it is probably not healthy for me.... :lol:

Good job. The juvies really do raise the question of which group they should be in....adults look like Tomatoes, but the young look like Clarkii complex fish...
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Postby damer » Thu May 31, 2007 8:59 pm

looks good.

are there two lots of eggs on that tile?
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Postby FuEl » Thu May 31, 2007 10:09 pm

Wonderful job! Did'nt know the juveniles looked so different. :shock:
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Postby mrblue » Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:11 am

There are two lots of eggs on the tile, Damien. It's the second time they have laid a double nest. I was a little surprised they did it this time as they have been on a limited diet lately.

Colby, as I said before, from what I have seen I would guess these guys are more related to latz or akindynos then melanopus. Apart from the colour they all look almost identical as juvies and all three have a rather extended juvenile periods but it is hard to get past the tomatoey appearance as adults. I would be interesting to see what a genetic test would say. Maybe they are an offshoot of two of the three complex's. I have been told by collectors that they have seen both akindynos x latz and latz x melanopus pairs in the wild.
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Postby mrblue » Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:28 am

My little horde of Mcc's.

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Postby DrHsu » Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:53 am

Looking good...looking good.....

I see some incomplete bars. Are they coming in, or going out?
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Postby mrblue » Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:32 am

I've noticed this with some of the earlier ones and I think they are maybe miss-bars. They seem to develope to a point but don't recede. The only change in the bands I have seen is a slight recession of the head band (you can sort of see it in the first juv pics) from the top and the tail band/stripe starts white then changes to yellow and now with the oldest is going white again.
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Postby mrblue » Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:36 am

I should have said that some of those fish in the latest pic could still be developing their stripes, though a few a probably still 'miss-bars'. They have not long metamorphosed and a few stragglers have only just made it through the change.
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Postby sebae09 » Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:40 pm

your my hero, but the question is are you going to be selling any? if so how much? they are my favorate clowns and i would die for a pair..
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Postby mrblue » Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:03 pm

Sebae09, I will be selling them. I would rather not go into price. I have an idea what the initial price, wholesale would be, but that is to the Tokyo and Hong Kong markets. I wouldn't have a clue what a retail U.S price would be.

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Postby criccio » Thu Jun 07, 2007 1:50 pm

How awesome is that, the larger ones kind of resemble miniature adult tricinctus, very nice.
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Postby mrblue » Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:29 pm

Good to see you have made it over Chris. I never thought of that but they do kind of look like tricinctus. I've been trying to think if there is another clown that looks exactly like that at that age.
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Postby Jens Kallmeyer » Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:10 am

mrblue wrote:Sebae09, I will be selling them. I would rather not go into price. I have an idea what the initial price, wholesale would be, but that is to the Tokyo and Hong Kong markets. I wouldn't have a clue what a retail U.S price would be.

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Hi Ryan

Congratulations, you are my hero. But please...don't sell them all to Asia, let us poor Europeans have a few of your little gems as well.
I can organize a shipment to Europe, there is a retailer/wholeseller that would kill for a few of those, he already does many imports from Australia, sohe knows how to handle the legal aspect. Just talked to him on the phone, he asked me: how many, how much, when, where do I have to send the pickup?
Would you be interested? You can also contact me via email (kallm (at) gmx.de)

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Postby DrHsu » Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:21 am

Jens Kallmeyer wrote:
mrblue wrote:Sebae09, I will be selling them. I would rather not go into price. I have an idea what the initial price, wholesale would be, but that is to the Tokyo and Hong Kong markets. I wouldn't have a clue what a retail U.S price would be.

Ryan.


Hi Ryan

Congratulations, you are my hero. But please...don't sell them all to Asia, let us poor Europeans have a few of your little gems as well.
I can organize a shipment to Europe, there is a retailer/wholeseller that would kill for a few of those, he already does many imports from Australia, sohe knows how to handle the legal aspect. Just talked to him on the phone, he asked me: how many, how much, when, where do I have to send the pickup?
Would you be interested? You can also contact me via email (kallm (at) gmx.de)

Cheers

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Jens,

I believe shipments from Australia to Europe do a stopover here in Singapore? :wink: :roll:

.....j/k - just messing around with you :lol: :lol:
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Postby mpedersen » Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:32 am

FWIW, I think there are a few breeders in the US that could really do well at establishing the species in culture here...so please do try to get some coming to the US :)

Another "please do" - when you do decide to sell them, could you make a post in the marketplace?

Really nice looking babies.

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Postby Peter Schmiedel » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:26 pm

Li,

I would take care the the "Asian Connection" is supplied too :D
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Postby mrblue » Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:47 am

Jens Kallmeyer wrote:[Hi Ryan

Congratulations, you are my hero. But please...don't sell them all to Asia, let us poor Europeans have a few of your little gems as well.
I can organize a shipment to Europe, there is a retailer/wholeseller that would kill for a few of those, he already does many imports from Australia, sohe knows how to handle the legal aspect. Just talked to him on the phone, he asked me: how many, how much, when, where do I have to send the pickup?
Would you be interested? You can also contact me via email (kallm (at) gmx.de)

Cheers

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Hi Jens,
Don't worry, they wont all be going to Asia :D . I was planning to send some to Europe, I already have some wholesalers chomping at the bit from your area. I will send you an e-mail with some details for this wholesaler.

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Postby mrblue » Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:14 am

mpedersen wrote:FWIW, I think there are a few breeders in the US that could really do well at establishing the species in culture here...so please do try to get some coming to the US :)

Matt


Not sure if I should be offended by this :) lol. I think I have done a pretty good job so far and I don't see why I can't establish quite a decent captive population myself.

As most of you are breeders, I hope you don't take offense but, to be blank... I haven't worked non-stop for 2.5yrs, and I mean, hard painful work at a huge expense, basically bankrupting myself to get to this stage to rush these fish direct to other breeders. I'm not totally nuts. I'm not sure many people would do any different.

Because of my experiences with some U.S breeders I'm had originally not planned to even send Mcc's to the U.S until that crap was cleared up so the breeding community may have to be patient.

At this stage, because of personal requests to the exporter (who will be organising most of my initial shipments) from U.S wholesalers I'm considering sending some over as more become available.

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Postby DrHsu » Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:58 am

Bro,

I think you deserve to milk as much as you can from them in the initial rush - you deserve it.

As most of you are breeders, I hope you don't take offense but, to be blank... I haven't worked non-stop for 2.5yrs, and I mean, hard painful work at a huge expense, basically bankrupting myself to get to this stage to rush these fish direct to other breeders. I'm not totally nuts. I'm not sure many people would do any different.


Anyone in your shoes would do the same - nothing wrong with it. We'll just wait patiently! :D
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Postby mrblue » Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:08 am

Thanks Li Chieh,
Wasn't sure if I was being a bit rough saying that. But don't worry, eventually everyone's patience will pay off. Hopefully by that time I will have F1's of at least two different parents. If I haven't already said, I do have two spawning pairs, just haven't seen a hatch from one of them yet :roll: .

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Postby DrHsu » Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:16 am

What's the update on the number of pairs you have now? Last I remember was something like 5 pairs, right?
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Postby mrblue » Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:40 am

I did have 5 :( , I am sad to say I did lose one pair along the journey. For no apparent reason the pair I had in the 10ft died, very strangely. One day they were cleaning a nest like mad, next day the female just starting freaking out, racing around the tank bashing into things. Nothing I did helped and she didn't make it through the night :cry: . The male just hid this whole time, and continued hiding for another day before also dieing :cry: . I never worked out what happened and still haven't done anything with the 10ft.

My little CB juvies make that loss a little easier to bear, just a little.
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Postby mpedersen » Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:47 am

mrblue wrote:
mpedersen wrote:FWIW, I think there are a few breeders in the US that could really do well at establishing the species in culture here...so please do try to get some coming to the US :)

Matt


Not sure if I should be offended by this :) lol. I think I have done a pretty good job so far and I don't see why I can't establish quite a decent captive population myself.


Very True Ryan, Very True. I do agree, you should recoup the costs of your efforts plus a handsome profit for bringing this rare fish into the hobby...it's definitely a worthwhile effort in my book. I just have to gripe about all the fish we don't see simply because they all end up in Japanese Aquarium Shops - Americans like to spend their money too ;)

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Postby DrHsu » Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:50 am

mrblue wrote:I did have 5 :( , I am sad to say I did lose one pair along the journey. For no apparent reason the pair I had in the 10ft died, very strangely. One day they were cleaning a nest like mad, next day the female just starting freaking out, racing around the tank bashing into things. Nothing I did helped and she didn't make it through the night :cry: . The male just hid this whole time, and continued hiding for another day before also dieing :cry: . I never worked out what happened and still haven't done anything with the 10ft.

My little CB juvies make that loss a little easier to bear, just a little.

Sad to hear, Ryan. Although I must say 4 out of 5 is still pretty good.

As for the 10ft - I say nuke the tank with bleach! :evil: That's what I have decided to do to "tanks of death" from now on! :twisted:

(As an aside, could you do a thread on your latz and the strange problems they have as you mentioned in your pm? I hope to get more soon and I want to know your quarantine procedures etc.....and I'm sure many others would also like to know)
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