Microspathodon chrysurus Embryos To Settlement

Microspathodon chrysurus Embryos To Settlement

Postby spawner » Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:07 pm

Got a small amount of eggs from the GOT. Most were to close to hatching and did not like being scraped off the nest. We have a few larvae but they were induced by the removal of the eggs. Looks like a promising species. I'll post pictures tomorrow.
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Re: Microspathodon chrysurus Embryos and Larvae

Postby Clownfish75 » Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:35 pm

For the uninitiated this is a damsel, no shock there.

This is it a yellow tail damsel, an atlantic species i am assuming.

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Re: Microspathodon chrysurus Embryos and Larvae

Postby spawner » Tue Jun 23, 2009 10:57 pm

oops sorry yes that is the fish. I'm very hopeful for this species. Compared to the chromis and triggers the larvae are huge. Plus we can get eggs every week.
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Re: Microspathodon chrysurus Embryos and Larvae

Postby Fishboy42 » Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:31 pm

Very interesting; thanks for sharing and please do keep us updated. I have a single one as a pet at the house; one of my favorite damsels (along with Garibaldi (Hypsypops rubicunda), but even less practical...)
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Re: Microspathodon chrysurus Embryos and Larvae

Postby Luis A M » Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:48 pm

Both they and Garibaldis ar huge and nasty,a nightmare for a hobbyist breeder! :lol:
M.chrysurus was probably the first damsel to be raised,many years ago by M.Moe and F.Young.I think that the eggs were collected from the sea,as Witt did with A.saxatilis... :?
But Andy,you plan to breed everything?.Let something for other people! :lol:
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Re: Microspathodon chrysurus Embryos and Larvae

Postby spawner » Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:56 am

Luis A M wrote:Both they and Garibaldis ar huge and nasty,a nightmare for a hobbyist breeder! :lol:
M.chrysurus was probably the first damsel to be raised,many years ago by M.Moe and F.Young.I think that the eggs were collected from the sea,as Witt did with A.saxatilis... :?
But Andy,you plan to breed everything?.Let something for other people! :lol:


Here are Martin's larval papers if anyone wants it. You can download them for free.

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/u ... 1/art00002

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/u ... 2/art00014


They are larval descriptions with no info on rearing. But the porkfish paper they cite as methods has some text about copepods and tank size, some other info. They used wild plankton. It's amazing to me that we seemed to forget about wild plankton in the late 80's and 90's. Seems rotifers have infected people or something.
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Re: Microspathodon chrysurus Embryos and Larvae

Postby spawner » Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:25 am

Here are some quick photos of the larvae.

Embryos about a day before hatching.
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Just after hatch. About 2mm long.
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Re: Microspathodon chrysurus Embryos and Larvae

Postby aomont » Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:02 pm

spawner wrote:It's amazing to me that we seemed to forget about wild plankton in the late 80's and 90's. Seems rotifers have infected people or something.

Just sidetracking your thread to say I think this is why inovation gets less frequent. Not because we can´t inovate but because we get used with some past achievements, quit trying to inovate and keep banging our head against the wall with those past achievements. They should be used when adequate but we need to look further.
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Re: Microspathodon chrysurus Embryos and Larvae

Postby spawner » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:27 pm

aomont wrote:
spawner wrote:It's amazing to me that we seemed to forget about wild plankton in the late 80's and 90's. Seems rotifers have infected people or something.

Just sidetracking your thread to say I think this is why inovation gets less frequent. Not because we can´t inovate but because we get used with some past achievements, quit trying to inovate and keep banging our head against the wall with those past achievements. They should be used when adequate but we need to look further.
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I flushed our rotifers a long time back.
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Re: Microspathodon chrysurus Embryos and Larvae

Postby Witt » Sun Jun 28, 2009 5:35 pm

Wild plankton....Perhaps Mother Nature's greatest achievement and yet something we have left to the dusty pages of 1960's fish novels. The first ornamental fish ever raised in captivity was a dragonet in the 1800's, cowfish and jacknives were raised in the 1960's and yet if we can't raise it in a square box with rotifers and Artemia we don't do it in today's hobby... Legends like Martin Moe set us up with some truly amazing tools that we seem to have neglected. At least we can say we are now trying to pool the knowledge, the ideas and the players to get back on top of making accomplishments.
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Re: Microspathodon chrysurus Embryos To Settlement

Postby spawner » Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:38 pm

Here is the complete larval series and picture of the cool super purple spoted Juvenile jeweled damsel.

Notice the huge pectoral fins.

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Not the best pictures, but they will do for now.
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Re: Microspathodon chrysurus Embryos To Settlement

Postby EasterEggs » Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:16 pm

Neat pics! Thanks for sharing!
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Re: Microspathodon chrysurus Embryos To Settlement

Postby Suzy » Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:05 am

Are you kidding? Those are amazing photos!

Strong work. Very impressive!
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Re: Microspathodon chrysurus Embryos To Settlement

Postby spawner » Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:22 pm

na, the juvinel picture is terrible, a bit out of focus, granny. I need to spend some time developing my methods better on the bigger fish, larval pictures no problem but I'm not the best photographer on the larger items.
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Re: Microspathodon chrysurus Embryos To Settlement

Postby Suzy » Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:45 pm

Just the opposite for me. To get a pic of a larvae, do I have to .....kill it? I know there are plenty, usually, but I hate that. Can I put it on a slide without killing it?
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Re: Microspathodon chrysurus Embryos To Settlement

Postby EasterEggs » Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:46 pm

I agree the juvie pic is awful, but the rest are pretty good! It looks like you needed to have more light in the tank when you photographed the juvie.
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Re: Microspathodon chrysurus Embryos To Settlement

Postby spawner » Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:33 pm

Suzy,

They never know what hits them other than an over dose of MS-222.....

Yes, to little light, not so great of a camera for small macro shots. I need to get a flash system up and running with our SLR in a small phototank. Just haven't had time to set that up yet.
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Re: Microspathodon chrysurus Embryos To Settlement

Postby Suzy » Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:59 pm

How tiny is it? I think it's a great pic.
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Re: Microspathodon chrysurus Embryos To Settlement

Postby Luis A M » Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:26 am

spawner wrote:Suzy,

They never know what hits them other than an over dose of MS-222.....

I never killed a larva,fish or shrimp,to take a pic :roll:
Funny thing since you taught me how to do it long ago :?
Nice raising and pics!.You keep a pair or a group in a mega tank?
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Re: Microspathodon chrysurus Embryos To Settlement

Postby Ben » Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:16 am

Amazing
Pics are great
Compared to mine
Sorry if i missed it but how long till settlement and is that when their colour comes through
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Re: Microspathodon chrysurus Embryos To Settlement

Postby spawner » Thu Oct 20, 2011 8:19 pm

16-18 days to begin flexion, 25-30 days post-flexion, settlement occurred around 45-50 days or so I think, should have been sooner I think. Color up was about 60-70 days or so. I'll have to go back and do the math. August, September and October have been a blur.
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Re: Microspathodon chrysurus Embryos To Settlement

Postby Ben » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:04 am

Not long at all really :shock:
I can understand why it was a bit blury
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Re: Microspathodon chrysurus Embryos To Settlement

Postby Suzy » Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:25 am

That is a long time. I wonder how long their entire lifespan is .
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Re: Microspathodon chrysurus Embryos To Settlement

Postby Luis A M » Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:02 pm

Luis A M wrote:Nice raising and pics!.You keep a pair or a group in a mega tank?

Bumping cause it is relevant to know the tank size and the number of breeders in there.Adults are large and very agressive fish.
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Re: Microspathodon chrysurus Embryos To Settlement

Postby spawner » Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:52 pm

Luis, they are in a 200,000 gallon tank. We have a few pairs of them. We collect the larvae at night with my egg collector. They are bycatch :)
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