spawner wrote:In fact aquaculture can often have a negative impact if livelihoods are taken away from a sustainable fishery and these fisherman start collecting grouper or other food fish with destructive fishing methods.
mpedersen wrote:I am 110% for sustainable projects, but not at the expense or vilification of captive breeding in the process. They need to work together. My article illustrates a way in which they can.
aomont wrote:telling we are conserving reefs because we are breeding fishes in captivity is not accurate.
. I think, your forgetting what I do for a living if you are assuming that I am against developing aquaculture techniques for new species. My post was made to get the community talking, to see that if they wish to use the word conservation, they must take into account that aquaculture of marine ornamentals does not always equal conservation. And no conservation of habitats is vastly different than ex-situ preservation of species. It's sad to read that you have completely lost hope for wild reefs.need for us [MOFIB] to ensure we are supportive of wild fisheries that are benefiting natural ecosystems.
spawner wrote:Matt again, you misinterpret my post. My post was to start a discussion that for the.need for us [MOFIB] to ensure we are supportive of wild fisheries that are benefiting natural ecosystems.
spawner wrote:I think, your forgetting what I do for a living if you are assuming that I am against developing aquaculture techniques for new species. My post was made to get the community talking, to see that if they wish to use the word conservation, they must take into account that aquaculture of marine ornamentals does not always equal conservation. And no conservation of habitats is vastly different than ex-situ preservation of species.
spawner wrote:It's sad to read that you have completely lost hope for wild reefs.
spawner wrote:The point of the cardinal tetra is not the preservation of a single species, but using an aquarium species to preserve habitat.
spawner wrote:We must fine ways to help local management of reef resources in the face of global change. There are reefs that will persist for decades longer than others in the face of global change. We must support sustainable uses and not "death by a thousand cuts". There is a good body of recent literature supporting this.
Complex being the key term here. You seem to read and I don't know how you can get this from my post, that I am suggesting that aquaculture has no place or is simply bad. You seem to think I was making a policy statement, which again, I cannot see how you get there from my post.I would like to start a discussion about the need for us to ensure we are supportive of wild fisheries that are benefiting natural ecosystems......I think we should develop a more complex solution to put forward....
spawner wrote:You seem to read and I don't know how you can get this from my post, that I am suggesting that aquaculture has no place or is simply bad. You seem to think I was making a policy statement, which again, I cannot see how you get there from my post.
spawner wrote:I'm happy that this discussion is moving forward, like I said in my post I would like to start a discussion...
spawner wrote:we need a more complex solution than just aquaculture.
spawner wrote:Matt,
I'm in Baja Sur right now so this will have to wait for a few weeks.
spawner wrote:Without addressing the human populations that are using these resources at a local level we only increase the damage and reduce the ability of the system to acclimate to changing conditions.
spawner wrote:No one can suggest that ex-situ preservation of a few species maintains ecosystem biodiversity.
spawner wrote:Regarding your questions, ex-situ preservation and conservation are two very different issues. Humans have to chose what species they wish to preserve (ex-situ) and if they can is still a largely unanswered question.
spawner wrote:...humans cannot preserve biodiversity very effectively at the molecular or ecosystem level. We can do it if for a few chosen species but that is about it.
spawner wrote:There are no fatal flaws with the idea of trying to sustain coral reef communities with all of their biodiversity, intact, with ecosystem based management strategies, we should do this as long as we possibility can. Suggesting a plan A or plan B choice decision is not accurate and only washes over the real issues that the developing world faces and that the aquarium community as a whole largely ignores. Suggesting that I was vilifying aquaculture makes for entertaining reading but it's not accurate.
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