BC 2010 Lysmata boggessi- jolson

BC 2010 Lysmata boggessi- jolson

Postby jolson » Thu May 13, 2010 9:00 am

I picked up 6 peppermint shrimp at a local LFS I assume they are boggessi and will try to post a picture soon for a poss ID. I think I could see eggs on two of them when I put them in a tank. They will be housed in a 10 gal tanks with live rock and a sponge filter. better start building a larval snagger soon I guess so I can collect any incase they hatch anytime soon. I run a brine shrimp hatchery all the time so that will not be a problem
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Re: BC 2010 Lysmata boggessi- jolson

Postby Midnight Angel » Sat May 15, 2010 3:18 am

Good luck with these guys.

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Re: BC 2010 Lysmata boggessi- jolson

Postby jolson » Sat May 15, 2010 11:07 pm

thanks; I may need it this will be my first try, Ive been keeping a close eye on them and still see what I think are eggs but so far nothing, I have my larval snagger set up and I run it every night so if something happens I hope to catch it




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Re: BC 2010 Lysmata boggessi- jolson

Postby jolson » Sat May 15, 2010 11:34 pm

I have been trying to post pictures of them for a pos ID but haven't had much luck. I've read the FAQ but dont seem to be able to figure it out. Anyone out there able to give a little better set of directions, I'm not real good at computer stuff but I just cant believe that I'm they only one that can't get it figured out. I usually just copy and paste but that doesnt seem to work, no paste option when I get back to the post??????????
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Re: BC 2010 Lysmata boggessi- jolson

Postby JimWelsh » Sat May 15, 2010 11:40 pm

Most people post the images to another website such as Photobucket, and then insert a URL link in the post here to point to the image on photobucket. Hope that helps.
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Re: BC 2010 Lysmata boggessi- jolson

Postby jolson » Sat May 15, 2010 11:47 pm

well I can give that a try I've never used potobucket before, thanks for the advise
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Postby jolson » Sun May 16, 2010 12:11 am

Image hope thats right
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Postby jolson » Sun May 16, 2010 12:13 am

heres the one I think is carrying eggs Image
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Re: BC 2010 Lysmata boggessi- jolson

Postby spawner » Sun May 16, 2010 11:51 am

You have at least one Lysmata wurdemanni in the bottom picture, shrimp on the left. You have at least two Lysmata boggessi in the upper picture, shrimp in the foreground.
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Re: BC 2010 Lysmata boggessi- jolson

Postby jolson » Mon May 17, 2010 9:55 am

OK that helps, is there an easy way to tell the difference I dont see anything obvious except the green which I thought were eggs. Also is that a problem, will they cross breed and do we want that to happen. I could seperate them into different tanks if I could tell the difference
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Re: BC 2010 Lysmata boggessi- jolson

Postby JimWelsh » Mon May 17, 2010 10:04 am

You might check this document: http://decapoda.arthroinfo.org/pdfs/27306/27306.pdf.

Look at the color picture near the end of the PDF. The L. boggessi have the dark tail, and no transverse (crosswise) lines, only "lengthwise" lines. The L. wurdemanni have the "broad transverse band" on the abdomen.
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Re: BC 2010 Lysmata boggessi- jolson

Postby jolson » Mon May 17, 2010 10:13 am

OK thanks, should I try and seperate them or just let them go
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Postby jolson » Mon May 17, 2010 11:12 am

just a little light reading, but clear enough when you know what to look for thanks
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Postby spawner » Mon May 17, 2010 11:49 am

You can leave them together, I have never had a problem. They only thing that might happen is that you might get some non-viable embryos. Generally in the presence of other conspecifics they don't interbreed, but they are post zygotically isolated, so they might try, but you will not get larvae from them.
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Re: BC 2010 Lysmata boggessi- jolson

Postby jolson » Mon May 17, 2010 10:47 pm

well I had a hatch fri night, at least several hundred I think I transfered them into a 10 gal with heater and air stone and have been feeding newly hached BBS.
I am seeing some dead on the bottom of the tank but many seem to be doing well. Must have been the Lysmata wurdemanni since that was the one that has been carrying the eggs. I cant tell if they are feeding but it has now been 3 days.
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Re: BC 2010 Lysmata boggessi- jolson

Postby jolson » Thu May 20, 2010 6:28 am

well I'm at day five which I think means I'm doing somethng right. Still have two many to count but I can tell that I have been having some losses. Did run into one problem, even though I have 2 brine shrimp hatcherys going I am still running short on bbs. I am down to feeding newly hatched and then 12 hours later feeding out of the same hatchery what every continued to hatch. then the next day I use the other hatchery. it is taking 48 hours to get a hatch due to the low temp in my fish room. put a heater into one of the hatcherys to see if that would produce a quicker hatch last night, hope I can cut the time to 24 hours by increasing the temp to 80 degrees
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Re: BC 2010 Lysmata boggessi- jolson

Postby PaulG » Thu May 20, 2010 7:17 am

If you decap & apply heat you should be able to get them to hatch in 12 hours.

I can get a 24 hours hatch just by raising the temp to 28'c
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Re: BC 2010 Lysmata boggessi- jolson

Postby jolson » Thu May 20, 2010 9:56 am

I am using heat now and I was thinking of decapping mainly because I seem to be building up a lot of shells in the larval tank I fed everything that was available before I went to work so lets hope the heat works so I will have something by the time I get home which will be about 18 hours after I started the new batch of brine, otherwise I may be in trouble
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Re: BC 2010 Lysmata boggessi- jolson

Postby jolson » Sun May 23, 2010 11:49 pm

starting to notice some losses now but still have a lot of larva, to many to count but prabably over 100. Have notice some interesting behavier thats new to me and was wondering if it is normal or a sign of something wrong. Some but not all of the larva have started to turn backwards loops many in a row and then stop. Has anyone seen this and is it an indication of a problem or just normal behavior at about 10 days post hatch
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Postby spawner » Mon May 24, 2010 5:19 pm

They are not fish larvae :) they should be head down, and some swimming in loops is very normal.
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Re: BC 2010 Lysmata boggessi- jolson

Postby jolson » Wed May 26, 2010 8:53 am

OK that a relief. I have been testing the water and that seems OK. I have also started to increase the amount that I have been changing. Problem is there are still so many Larvae that I lose some every time I clean the bottom
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Re: BC 2010 Lysmata boggessi- jolson

Postby jolson » Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:04 am

well its day 21 and I haven't posted for some time due to being busy and was sick all last week. But every thing seems to be following normal patterns. The numbers are getting smaller, I'm guessing that I'm now between 100-75. Some of the losses are due to water changes which I alwasy seem to be pulling some out at that time. I am trying to put as many back into the rearing tank as possible. They have all. or just about all gotten there spear legs over a week ago and I have seen some that have lost 1 or even both probably due to to much turbulance but when I turn the air stone down I get dead spots in the tank, so I turn it back up. I also see a few bouncing around on the bottom so those must be damaged or sick. They are really starting to color up nice and are looking very shrimp like as discribed in Kirkendoll's book.
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Postby jolson » Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:03 am

day 26, no increace in losses but I seem to have more of them bouncing around on the bottom still not sure what is causing this. I think that I have solved my problem with losses during water changes. After cleaning the gunk off the bottom I use a piece of 2 inch pvc that I put some 53 um mesh over and siphon out of that, the mesh keeps the larvae and bbs from getting sucked out and I dont have to stand there for so long, I just watch for the drain bucket to fill up while I do other chores in the fish room. The 2 inch pc is so much larger then the 3/16 inch drain tube that there is no current towards the bottom of the tube at all. Since I started to use this I have not found a single larvae in my drain water.
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Re: BC 2010 Lysmata boggessi- jolson

Postby jolson » Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:03 am

day 36 and still doing well, I think that they may be getting close to settling, I noticed that they have lost a lot of their red color and are very difficult to find, also their eyes have turned white, ( I read in Kirkendoll's book that the white eyes are about the only thing you can see at first when they settle ) but I cant say that they have actually done so because I haven't seen them crawling around on the sides and bottom looking like copies of the adults yet
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Re: BC 2010 Lysmata boggessi- jolson

Postby jolson » Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:55 am

Day 46 and yesterday I noticed 2 shrimp on the side and bottom of the tank so this batch is starting to go through metamorphosis. There are still a dozen or more in the planktonic stage but I assume they will also settle soon. will be moving them to a growout tank as they settle and keep them there until I get a spawn, then to friends or the LFS if they want to trade. Not a very high percentage maybe 5% but will try again.
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