MY STARKI SPAWNED!!!!!!!!!

MY STARKI SPAWNED!!!!!!!!!

Postby MorandiWine » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:53 pm

Heck Yeah!!!

I was noticing that one of the starkii was guarding a PVC pipe and kinda beat up. On a whim I checked the part and sure enough there are about 500 eggs on the inside of the part!!!!

I dont know how long ago they were laid so it is a guess as to when they might hatch.

Has anyone had any experience in hatching and raising these guys?

Are "L" rotifers going to cut it as a first food? Eggs seem slightly smaller than clown eggs.

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Postby tcmfish » Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:52 pm

WOW awesome how did you pair them. I have no idea on food but great job.
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Postby mpedersen » Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:05 pm

I NEEEEED pictures - I NEED to see male and female. There's a "myth" running around out there (that might even be unwittingly spread by LiveAquaria.com's Diver's Den). Please post some pix Tyler!!!!

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Postby mpedersen » Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:07 pm

BTW, right off the bat I'd be looking at SS Rotifers & Copepod Nauplii and Black Round Tubs - Witt's gonna be envious, as am I! Luis has experience raising one or two (literally one or two) Damsels, and Wittenrich recently brought a batch of Seargent Major's through (be sure to check his post and setup).

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Postby MorandiWine » Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:26 pm

I got four medium sized fish in from Oz and put them all in one tank. Two of them were the aggressors in the tank. Once I removed the other two that were getting harassed the remaining two basically ignored each other. However they were not killing each other so I figured that they might have paired up. That was about 9 months ago.

I will post pics today.

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Postby MorandiWine » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:46 pm

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Postby mpedersen » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:57 pm

Well, that sure answers two questions:

#1. What is being "sold" as consistently "male" Starkiis at LiveAquaria.com certainly could be females too, the reason being that the ONE time a "female" Starkii was shown, it was actually a different species of fish. In other words, C. starkii is NOT sexually dichromatic.

#2. Those are some nice fertile eggs, looks like several hundred!!! They look pretty well developed - I wouldn't be surprised if they hatched after lights out tonight!

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Postby MorandiWine » Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:51 pm

Well aint that just dandy! Hatching eggs and ZERO food to feed them! How convenient. Well I will throw the hatcher in there anyways and see what I come up with in the AM.

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Postby MorandiWine » Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:42 am

Matt,

Do you still have any S or SL cultures for sale?? Or do you any anyone else know someone who does?

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Postby mpedersen » Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:52 am

MorandiWine wrote:Matt,

Do you still have any S or SL cultures for sale?? Or do you any anyone else know someone who does?

tyler


Tyler, didn't I get my "SS/SL" from you? I don't have much I could help with. Ask Randy/Gresham, or I know Dan Underwood (Seahorsesource.com) lists them for sale (I was going to restart with some of his SS).

I think the copepods are possibly more important. Maybe try Ladygator (Adelaid) for some Tisbe, or maybe Diane B over at Seahorse.org (she got me my starter culture of Tisbe) - apparently Tisbe, like Tigriops, have a nauplii / copepodite that free swims, making them potentially useful in larval culture. Tisbe are nice because they are small as adults...far less worrysome about being problematic for the larvae.

T-Iso would also be extremely high on my priority list...I know it was really helpful in my greenwater technique in rearing the Greenbanded Gobies. It'a also beneficial from a HUFA standpoint, and it's motile, so there might even be early direct consumption?

The Black Tub though, Witt swears by them and thinks they truly make a big difference. It took him 3 years to get his Seargent Major's through, but maybe we can learn from what he did and make you the first successful Starkii breeder!

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Postby Luis A M » Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:24 pm

mpedersen wrote: Luis has experience raising one or two (literally one or two) Damsels, Matt

Why,I once raised three! :lol:

Congrats,Tyler.AFAIK your spawning is the first!:D
It seems there is no difference between the sexes whatsoever.
I got 160 mic rots from Algagen.Good luck!
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Postby mpedersen » Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:27 pm

Luis A M wrote:Congrats,Tyler.AFAIK your spawning is the first!:D


Sadly no :( Tropicorium was selling a spawning pair they had back in 2007 or maybe even 2006...I inquired about it on multiple occasions, so I may have a record of exactly when if someone really NEEDS a firm date. Of course, who knows if Tropicorium was the first either.

HOWEVER, Tyler is the first to come to MOFIB and post about a spawning success, not to mention showing some great pictures of the eggs and the parents (disproving once and for all the dichromatism that LiveAquaria.com is using to "sex" their Starkiis in the Diver's Den).

Now, can Tyler be the first to get larval pictures? Maybe even raise some?

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Postby Luis A M » Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:07 pm

mpedersen wrote:
Luis A M wrote:Congrats,Tyler.AFAIK your spawning is the first!:D


Sadly no :( Tropicorium was selling a spawning pair they had back in 2007 or maybe even 2006...I inquired about it on multiple occasions, so I may have a record of exactly when if someone really NEEDS a firm date. Of course, who knows if Tropicorium was the first either.

Sure,first experience meaning first reported experience.There might be others,but how could we know? :wink:

HOWEVER, Tyler is the first to come to MOFIB and post about a spawning success, not to mention showing some great pictures of the eggs and the parents (disproving once and for all the dichromatism that LiveAquaria.com is using to "sex" their Starkiis in the Diver's Den).

How was the allegued "female"?.The "devils"(C.taupou and C.cyanea)are the only ones showing sex dichromatism.
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Postby mpedersen » Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:33 pm

Luis A M wrote:How was the allegued "female"?.The "devils"(C.taupou and C.cyanea)are the only ones showing sex dichromatism.


The one fish listed as a "Female Starkii" that I saw on the LiveAquaria.com Diver's Den looked different than any other Starkii Damselfish. In fact, it looked a lot like C. flavipinnis if I'm remembering the scientific name correctly. This "dichromatism" was apparently mentioned by a wholesaler, transshipper or importer, and the reason I know that is because a friend who works at an area wholesaler recanted the story that apparently all the Starkii imported are male and that females look different.

My guess? Someone along the way got C. flavipinnis which, while nice, lacks the *pop* of a Starkii. Rather than take a loss of selling them as something other than Starkii, or unable to properly ID, these fish were either misrepresented as or presumed to be "females", passed of as Starkii at the Starkii price point.

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Postby MorandiWine » Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:08 pm

She is still holding strong on the eggs. Maybe even protecting them a bit more than in the past.

I dont know for sure though if it is the female that does the egg sitting or if it is the male. Any ideas?

Here is a pic of her tonight:

http://s264.photobucket.com/albums/ii17 ... ggs003.jpg

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Postby Luis A M » Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:19 am

It´s he,Tyler. :D
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Postby MorandiWine » Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:01 am

Gracias!
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Postby MorandiWine » Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:08 am

I emailed Dr. Rhodes to get some 'pod starter cultures and try giving the larvae pod till they are big enough for Rotifers then BBS. Pretty much going to write off this first spawn and hope that they do it again. Next time I will be ready!!

From the looks of the eggs tonight I would say that they should hatch either tonight or tomorrow sometime. Since the discovery of the eggs, I have been keeping alot of notes and writing down all my observations.

That is pretty cool about being one of the first people to breed these guys, but as you well know its one thing to get them to breed and its another to get the fry to survive. Still having difficulty in raising the Hawaiian Harlequin shrimp past 10 days but I think that they may be harder than the starkii. Time will tell.

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Postby mpedersen » Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:10 am

Tyler, I'm cheering for your success on BOTH :)

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Postby MorandiWine » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:05 pm

They spawned again!

I should get my starter culture from Dr. Rhodes tomorrow of Acartia tonsa. So maybe the next spawn I can give it a go.

It seems that there was a down time of maybe one day before the next spawn was laid, has anyone else noticed this in damsels?

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Postby mpedersen » Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:17 am

MorandiWine wrote:I should get my starter culture from Dr. Rhodes tomorrow of Acartia tonsa. So maybe the next spawn I can give it a go.


Do you have T-Iso??! You NEED it for Acartia tonsa culture! They starve on Nannochloropsus!

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Postby MorandiWine » Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:30 am

Iso and Rhodo are being sent as well.

thanks for the heads up!

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Postby MorandiWine » Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:47 pm

I took the PVC couple out tonight and placed it in one of my 5.5 hatch tanks. Using a bubble stone very gently inside the coupler to move water around. The part is not directly on the bottom, I am using some egg crate material to keep it off the bottom and to allow for water to be pulled by the bubbles. Added S rotifers and a large amount of tonsum (sp) pods to the tank. Also add some live phyto to feed the Rotis and pods. Did that at 5:25 pm going to check at 7 pm and see if anyone has hatched yet.

Looks like the eggs reach maturity at around 52 hours. That is an educated guess, but they look identicle to clown and dottyback eggs the night they are going to hatch.

I'll post later with results.

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Postby MorandiWine » Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:33 pm

FRY FRY FRY

We've got fry!!!

A friend is bringing his SLR Macro to shoot pics.

Totally beside myself right now.
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Postby mpedersen » Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:20 pm

FREAKIN' SWEET! Congratulations Tyler!

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