Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby SantaMonica » Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:58 pm

An ammonia tower is a very tall bio-ball filter.

Compare you feeding to:

1 frozen cube per day (2-sided screen), or
1/2 frozen cube per day (1-sided screen), or
10 pinches of flake food per day (2-sided screen), or
5 pinches of flake food per day (1-sided screen), or
10 square inches (60 sq cm) of nori per day (2-sided screen), or
5 square inches (30 sq cm) of nori per day (1-sided screen), or
0.1 dry ounce (2.8 grams) of pellet food per day (2-sided screen), or
0.05 dry ounce (1.4 grams) of pellet food per day (1-sided screen)
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby FishNFrags » Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:29 am

I'm not sure how you want me to compare my feedings to this chart. Today I will measure in ounces how much I feed per day and reply again tonight.
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby FishNFrags » Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:18 pm

Ok in ounces with 1100- 1350 fish.
Dry food 3 ounces a day
Frozen 3 ounces a day

Total food per day is 6 ounces.
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby SantaMonica » Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:18 pm

Ok, 0.1 dry ounce per day needs 12 square inches with at LEAST 12 total real fluorescent watts (or 6 LED watts), 2-sided.

So 6 ounces is 60 times this, or 720 square inches, which needs at LEAST 720 total real fluorescent watts (or 310 LED watts), 2-sided.

For a planned screen cleaning every 5 days, with 3 screens, each screen would grow 15 days before cleaning, which is acceptable. So each waterfall screen would be 1/3 of 720 = 240 square inches. This could be 12 X 20, or any other combination to get 240 square inches on each screen. Wider will need more water flow, but will fit long T5 or T8 bulbs better. Screens will need at least 35 gph per inch of screen. Use a separate pump for each screen.

Lights run for 18 hours, and should be 2700k or 3000k. If LED, they should be plant-grow lights, or 660nm (red). I'd go with cheap T8 bulbs, and replace them every 3 months. If you double the wattage, you can run them for 9 hours, and replace them every 6 months. All lights should be on separate wires/ballasts for each screen, in case one goes out.
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Postby FishNFrags » Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:25 am

SantaMonica wrote:I'd start by considering a design like this:

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With five screens, you clean one each day, Mon-Fri. Easy :)

I plan on using something close to this design. If 6 ounces a day = 720 sq inches then I would need 1440 sq inches correct when both systems are running? Not sure how I would do separate pumps for each screen. Plus the tank I will be putting this in is 24L X 24W X 12H. I plan on lighting it from all 4 sides with 2 ft T8's and also from above. 2 light on each side of tank and 3 light from above. Do you have a grow light you would recomend to use? if so can you put a link to it. Needs to be 24 inches long.
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby SantaMonica » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:42 am

Nope... won't work at all. That was years ago.
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby FishNFrags » Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:44 pm

Ok what plan would you use?
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby SantaMonica » Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:53 pm

Standard; light with reflectors 2" away from both sides of the screen. No part of the screen is more than 3" from a bulb.
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby FishNFrags » Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:46 pm

How would I accomplish that with 1450-1600 squares of screen needed? 4 screens seperate from each other each being 400 square inches? Do you have a design you can share?
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby SantaMonica » Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:54 pm

Look through the pics in my sig.
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby FishNFrags » Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:16 am

Ok I guess I only have 1 more question. If you had a 13 X 22 screen and only put lights on 1 side of it then you would have 308 squares inches.
But if you light both sides of that screen would that count as 616 square inches of screen when figuring algae scrubbers?
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby SantaMonica » Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:26 am

No, the square inches are always L X W.

But you would always want a 2-sided screen in order to keep the roots illuminated longer, which allows the gha to stay attached longer, which give much stronger filtering. 1-sided is really just for nano's with limited room.
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby NemoMaker » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:39 pm

Where can I see pictures of your tank? I tried the link in you sig titled "my tank pics" but ain't no pics there!
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby SantaMonica » Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:24 pm

Here some old ones... working on new ones.
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby downbydasea » Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:00 am

As FishandFrags has inquired, I to am interested in utilizing algae scrubbers on a breeder set up.
My question is where you would recommend incorporating them with in the water management system.
This is my proposed planned. The idea is to be able to add or remove scrubbers as needed depenedent on the current bio load.
I was thinking of using the 100 sq" design utilizing the Nova Extreme 1127 lights. Or would you recomend something different.
Also should I add a UV sterilizer to the mix, if so where would you recomend its placement in the diagram.
Again thanks for your input. I know there are many different views and ideas out there and I feel its important that everyone should respect the fact that we are each intitled to our opinions.
Thanks again for your help.
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby downbydasea » Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:01 am

Also has anyone picked up your patent for the nano version?
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby SantaMonica » Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:48 pm

The layout looks fine... for filtering it really doesn't matter where the scrubbers go so long as a loose clump of algae won't overflow anything.

The hang-on-glass scrubber is still available for licensing or distribution in most countries, and retail in the US.
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby seaweed88 » Sun Sep 16, 2012 1:13 pm

I am running a 12 by 12 scrubber with CFL lighting at the moment. If I was to change to 3 watt 660 LEDs how many would I need a side? And I guess more important is this a good change?
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby SantaMonica » Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:52 am

660 reds have grown very well. A good starting point for LEDs is half the CFL wattage, so 144 total CFL watts would be replaced by 72 LED watts.
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby seaweed88 » Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:34 pm

So I would need 12 , 3 watt LEDs a side?
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby SantaMonica » Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:40 pm

Yes. And mixed into each 12, you could put two blue (450nm) and 10 reds.
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby GinaReef » Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:39 pm

Perhaps you can help me figure what is wrong. I built the down flow turf scrubber, but all I grow is red/brown slime. my light is 13 W compact flourescent at 2700 K and is 2-3 inches from the screen. I'm not growing any green algae. Any ideas?
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby SantaMonica » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:03 pm

Too little light.

Should be 1 real watt (not equivalent watt) per square inch of screen.
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby GinaReef » Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:48 pm

Thank you
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby Walterruben » Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:07 pm

Hello SantaMonica!!!!
I would like to thank you for promoting so fervently this filtration system.
I have my reef of 900 liters since six months ago, without skimmer from the beginning and nitrates are not out of 5ppm. As a complement, I only use perlon that I renew every day.
I was always a supporter of alternative solutions to the skimmer and thanks to you, I found in the scrubber what I wanted.
I am currently testing with an external filter of native plants (Salicornia, Spartina and other). I hope to achieve a biological filtration without energy costs, using only sunlight and gravity for its operation (flow from the overflow to the sump with the plants filter in the middle). If I have success, I'll replace the scrubber :( :oops: , but with the conviction that this is an excellent method of filtering and applicable to all aquariums!!
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