Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

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Postby SantaMonica » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:07 am

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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby Suzy » Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:21 pm

It is called needlepoint mesh/canvas at my local craft shops.
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby rortreefer » Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:26 am

Thank you guys, I will be looking for that soon. Picking up the sumps and tanks tomorrow morning!!!
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby Suzy » Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:38 pm

Get a bunch of needle point mesh. You will use it for so many things.
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby SantaMonica » Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:41 pm

LED test on SM100:

9 days of growth after cleaning. Fluorescent on left, LED on right. LED is the 50 watt Grow Light from EshineSystems in China. Actually uses 41 watts per the KillOwatt. Was raised up 3/4 inch to fit in middle of scrubber window. Camera is unfortunately an old one, since new one is being repaired. Growth was very similar on both sides; too similar to tell them apart. Growth on the LED side was floating a bit higher since it had no light near the bottom. LED was about $140 including shipping, and I asked for the black case:

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http://www.eshinesystems.com/growlight/ ... ght-3g.htm
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby SantaMonica » Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:44 pm

New Scrubber Sizing Guideline (Sept 2011)

Scrubbers will now be sized according to feeding. Nutrients "in" (feeding) must equal nutrients "out" (scrubber growth), no matter how many gallons you have. So...

An example VERTICAL waterfall screen size is 3 X 4 inches = 12 square inches of screen (7.5 X 10 cm = 75 sq cm) with a total of 12 real watts (not equivalent) of fluorescent light for 18 hours a day. If all 12 watts are on one side, it is a 1-sided screen. If 6 watts are on each side, it is a 2-sided screen, but the total is still 12 watts for 18 hours a day. This screen size and wattage should be able to handle the following amounts of daily feeding:

1 frozen cube per day (2-sided screen)
1/2 frozen cube per day (1-sided screen)
10 pinches of flake food per day (2-sided screen)
5 pinches of flake food per day (1-sided screen)
10 square inches (50 sq cm) of nori per day (2-sided screen)
5 square inches (50 sq cm) of nori per day (1-sided screen)
0.1 dry ounce (2.8 grams) of pellet food per day (2-sided screen)
0.05 dry ounce (1.4 grams) of pellet food per day (1-sided screen)

High-wattage technique: Double the wattage, and cut the hours in half (to 9 per day). This will get brown screens to grow green much faster. Thus the example above would be 12 watts on each side, for a total of 24 watts, but for only 9 hours per day. If growth starts to turn YELLOW, then increase the flow, or add iron, or reduce the number of hours. And since the bulbs are operating for 9 hours instead of 18, they will last 6 months instead of 3 months.

HORIZONTAL screens: Multiply the screen size by 4, and the wattage by 1.5

Flow is 24 hours, and is at least 35 gph per inch of width of screen [60 lph per cm], EVEN IF one sided or horizontal.

Very rough screen made of roughed-up-like-a-cactus plastic canvas.

Clean algae off of screen every 7 to 14 days, so that you can see the white screen material.
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby SantaMonica » Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:40 am

Updates on the LED test. 3 pics from 2nd cleaning, and 1 vid from 3rd cleaning:


2nd cleaning, 7 days, top:
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2nd cleaning, 7 days, T5:
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2nd cleaning, 7 days, LED:
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3rd cleaning, 11 days:

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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby SantaMonica » Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:17 pm

Coming in 2012:

Algae Scrubber II

(nano owners rejoice)
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby SantaMonica » Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:01 am

Update:

The cyano stage: Some people, who start using a scrubber for the first time, get rid of their nuisance algae but then get some cyano that they never had before. The reason for this is that cyano is able to "fix" it's own nitrogen, which means it is good at getting the last nutrients that are available. However, once these last nutrients are removed, the cyano will go away too. And the more powerful the scrubber is, the quicker this happens.
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby SantaMonica » Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:01 pm

Since I've been working on the new scrubber, I've not done much with the 25 nano model. So if anyone would like to test, build, and market it, I could sell you the patent application and you could take it over. It is a U.S. PPA which expires March 7, 2012. You would then file your own U.S. NPA.
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby SantaMonica » Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:53 pm

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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby SantaMonica » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:04 pm

New scrubber update: The new design will not require a slot in the pipe. If you have not built one yet, and you have trouble with DIY, then you might wait for the new DIY plans to be posted; there should be no hard-to-cut pieces (like a slot), at least for the very simple versions.
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby SantaMonica » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:10 am

Here is a comparison of the types of bulbs to use:
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby pdrodn » Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:38 pm

Hi Santa Monica,

your article is very impressive and I am becoming addicted towards it. I am overwhelmed with confidence that you way works that I have actually removed my skimmer and phosphate reactor and have started using scrubber since 13/3/2012. :)

Hoping to reduce my phosphate to zero within the next few weeks. :lol:

Thank you for all the information provided.

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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby SantaMonica » Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:33 pm

Nice... keep us posted.
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby SantaMonica » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:10 pm

Need translator for Availability Schedule...
http://algaescrubber.net/forums/showthr ... y-Schedule

I have Chinese finished, but I need other languages too. So if you or someone you know can translate that page into another language and email it to me on a Word 2000 document, let me know how much $ it would cost.

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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby EasterEggs » Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:51 am

When is the new "no slot" version going to be posted? I am going to make an ATS in the next few weeks for my broodstock system. I'm hoping to save some salt from waterchanges.
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby SantaMonica » Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:56 pm

5 weeks.

You can also check the schedule link I posted above.
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby EasterEggs » Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:36 am

Yeah, I looked at that link...I think you're selling a patent or something? You're a manufacturer maybe? I don't know what's going on...I'm just looking for some DIY ideas and you mention a new design with no slot cutting. :D 5 weeks is too late though, I'm working on this project now. I will go hunt around on the ATS forums. :D
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby SantaMonica » Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:09 pm

Less than 2 weeks until the new design is posted...
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby Miles » Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:42 pm

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More flow, more light? This is a week after doubling my flow. Only lit on one side.

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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby SantaMonica » Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:08 pm

More light. Although it may be enough light if the nutrients come down. If you are going to continue heavy feeding, then more light.

2-sided would be much better though.
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby FishNFrags » Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:25 pm

I breed clowns on a large scale. Like everyone the grow out systems we have are a real pain and maintenance intense because of the over crowding and the amount we have to feed. Water changes all the time, I mean sometime in as little as every 4 days just to keep Nitrates at a reasonable level. I am going to build a new filter system for my grow out system. Right now I have two systems. Each one has 200 gals of tank water and a 50gal sump making each system a total of 250 gals of water. I know that not really important but I want you to understand what I have. I have to do a 40% water change once a week on each system to even try to keep Nitrates at level of 40-60 ppm. Not to mention the constant battle with PH levels changing. I have read most of the post about algae scrubbers and watched all the video links you have posted over the last 18 months. I want to build a fliter system that will be 2- 150 gal stock tanks plumbed together that will act as one 250 gal sump. I've tried all the reactors and things that you can think of. I want to keep it simple. So I plan on putting 150 lbs of live rock in the sump. Two very good protein skimmers rated for 600 gals each. I also am going to build a waterfall Algae scrubber that will go into it own tank above the sump to drain into the sump. I also plan on putting a tank above sump to be used as nothing but a Chaeto tank. Both the Algae and chaeto tanks are same dimensions of 24L 24W 12H for a total of 25 gals each. I will also build some type of pre-filter for water to go through before it hit the sump. By building this system my total grow out system will have about 725 gals of water total. 400 gals of that being tanks for fish. This system will hold any where from 2000 - 3000 fish at one time. Keeping in mind these are baby fish from 3/4 of an inch to 1 1/2 inches. I am hoping this will possibly cut my maintenance and expenses in half by allowing me to only have to a 200 gal water change once every two to three weeks. I know long message sorry about that but I wanted you to understand what I was doing and why. The reason I am writing you is because to my knowledge no one here on MOFIB has built an algae scrubber in connection with their grow system. I want this to be successful. I have read all the post about how to figure out screen sizes and flow but, most of them were for reef tanks and normal applications. Over Crowed growout systems are not even close to normal. I know my scrubber will have to be multiple screens. Will you help me figure out how many screens and the flow I should use on this scrubber? Light wattage would be helpful also.

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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby SantaMonica » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:59 pm

Main question is, how much feeding there is per day.

Once the scrubber is running, you won't need any waterchanges at all. However one thing I'd do different from your plan is to add an ammonia tower, and remove the chaeto and live rock.
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Re: Mega Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover - DIY!

Postby FishNFrags » Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:59 pm

"ammonia tower" you mean like a bio ball tower? As far as how much do I feed per day. Humm I never keep real close measurements on that. I"ll do my best at figuring this. I only have 1 grow out system running right now in preperation for building new fliter. There are 1100 to 1350 fish in it. I feed three times a day. Twice with pellet and flake mixture and once with frozen. So the system gets 8 tea spoons a day of dry food. The Frozen I use comes in the little tray cube style sheets. I feed from 16 to 20 cubes per day. So keep in mind that I have let my fish numbers go down for preperation of this filter build. So when this system is completed it will have 2000 - 3000 fish possibly at most times. So the food caculations above would double per day with the system full of fish.
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