Advises for new fishroom

Advises for new fishroom

Postby Frankyreef » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:40 am

Dear all,
First : my apologies for my bad English... I hope you will understand!!!
I need your help!
I start the project of my life!
Two years ago, I maintained 20 small aquarias to test my capcities to breed clownfish and cardinal fish at home. It was a nice success so I will increase the volume!
So in a cellar, I will step by step install my aquarias.
I will have a lot of questions but first, I would like to have advises about how hold my aquaria.
Please find in attached a plan of the aquarias, but I don't know which is the best system of holding.
My differents choices :
- Build a wood shelf cover with a specific paint
- Use Siporex (cellular concrete) like the plan in attached
- Last idae : use steel shelf. It is very ship but I am afraid to use steel in a humid room...

And idea or advices?
Thank you very much for your help and again sorry for my bad English...
Have a nice day!
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Re: Advises for new fishroom

Postby Luis A M » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:49 pm

Hi Franky,where are you from?
Any of the options you gave could work,it is a matter of cost and personal preference.But the wood piece in your drawing should be good and hard.Well painted steel will last some years,may be ten,but sooner or later,rust will destroy it.Galvanized or stainless steel are much better.And there were some aluminum stands with joining parts for DIY stands.
Do you already have the tanks?.Cause I have some suggestions if you do not :wink:
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Re: Advises for new fishroom

Postby Frankyreef » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:29 am

Usually, everybod recognize my french accent!!! :wink:
Thank you very much for your answer!
I will have a look on aluminium stand. Probably cheaper compare to inox but more safety compare to wood or painted steel. What do you think?
About tanks, I have some. But you are welcome for your suggestions!!!
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Re: Advises for new fishroom

Postby Luis A M » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:36 pm

Bien sur,Franky,mais ton prenom semble un peau allemand! :wink:
There were some fine aluminum stands in the past,I don´t know if they still exist :? It consisted of square pipes,6m long and hard plastic connectors.
Instead of the 5 tanks per shelf,make one with 4 inner partition walls,slightly lower than the other walls.Cheaper and spill proof! :wink:
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Re: Advises for new fishroom

Postby Frankyreef » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:48 am

Good idea to build only one tank and to separate it.
I will do it!

I would like to have your advises about two points :
- Pteropogon kauderni broodstock : what is the best : keep one couple in a 25g tank or keep a group of around 10 adults in a 50g tank?
- Another problem is the choice of the larvea tank. For clownfish, I used glass aquaria (with black painted on the sides), but for other species like seahorses, dottyback, gramma and gobies, I'm not sure it will be the best.

Thank you very much for your help!!!
Have a nice day!
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Re: Advises for new fishroom

Postby Luis A M » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:53 pm

As the internal walls are slightly lower,a clogged drain will make water fall in the neighbour tanks,not to the floor :wink:
and a one piece tank distributes weight better on the stand.
Only that you can not pull an individual tank for cleaning or repair,but this is not much of a problem.
Regarding banggaiis,I´d go with a pair in a 25.I don´t have experience with the other aproach.
And yes,everybody use BRTs for anything other than clowns.Seems they are "en vogue" 8)
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Re: Advises for new fishroom

Postby Amie » Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:48 pm

Regarding banggai cardinals, I agree with Luis, 1 pair in 25 gallon tank. I have heard of keeping more in larger tanks, but the tanks were 125 gallon or larger. The female banggai can be very aggressive, so they should not be in close proximity to other female banggais. You may want to put several in a tank at first, in order to establish pairs. Then separate them.
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Re: Advises for new fishroom

Postby Frankyreef » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:28 am

Thank you Amie and Luis for this advise!

Another point is about the wall of my fish room.
I have some water ingress on one of my walls. Do you have advise about what I have to do? I think recover entirely the wall with tiles. What do you think?
Thank you very much per advance!!!
Have a nice week-end!
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Re: Advises for new fishroom

Postby Luis A M » Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:38 pm

A tiled wall is perfect,though expensive.Industrial wall protection consists of a poly sheet,styro and then plastic boards which fit snuggly.
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Re: Advises for new fishroom

Postby Frankyreef » Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:46 am

Thank you!
A tiler sould come to inspect my wall to know if it is not too humid to lay tiles. I hope it will be good!
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Re: Advises for new fishroom

Postby Amie » Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:26 am

Tile would be nice, but like Luis said .. expensive.
My question .. why do you have water on the walls? You should solve that issue. Is it coming from evaporation? Or a leak? If it is evaporation, you might want to consider covering your tanks. This saves on top-off water as well.
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Re: Advises for new fishroom

Postby Frankyreef » Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:40 am

After the visit of a plumber, he said the humidity come from ground and goes through my walls. It is a underground cellar.
I am waiting the quotation of the tiler but he said tile should work. If it is too expensive, I will lay myself.

Can you help me for the choice of the larvae tank? What kind of BRT? Same for all the species?
For the moment, I use glass tank for clownfish and Pterapogon.
My plan is to breed clownfish, Apogon, dottyback, Gramma loreto, Gobie, Mandarin fish (splendidus), Lysmata and seahorses.
Thank you very much for your help!
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Re: Advises for new fishroom

Postby Frankyreef » Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:16 am

Up about BRT?
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Re: Advises for new fishroom

Postby Luis A M » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:11 pm

Regular tanks are fine for clowns and banggaiis as you use.
For most other larvae,you´ll do better with BRTs which are in vogue now.And kreisels and upwellers for seahorse and shrimp.
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Re: Advises for new fishroom

Postby Frankyreef » Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:42 am

Could you please detail BRT? Which size and volume? Do you use the same for gramma and pseudochromis for exemple?
What is a kreisel?
Upweller is not dangerous for larvae? I'm afraid to kill the babies with the mesh. BRT are not more safety?
I would like to plan the size of my future shelf...
Thank you very much per advance!!!
Have a nice day!
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Re: Advises for new fishroom

Postby Luis A M » Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:15 pm

Hi Franky,
BRT=Black Round Tanks are usually 10-20 gallons or larger.Typically a standpipe is set in the center.You can see Witt´s here: viewtopic.php?f=172&t=810
Kreisels and upwellers are more complicated to build and restricted to special uses.Some were offered here some time ago.Mostly used with seahorses and shrimp.
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Re: Advises for new fishroom

Postby Frankyreef » Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:08 am

Hi Luis and everybody,
I will plan glass tank for clownfish and BRT for all the others species except shrimp and seahorses. But I have no idea what is kreisels and upweller. Do you have pictures?

Another think : 20g for a BRT is not too big? The quantity of rotifers for this volume is huge!!!
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Re: Advises for new fishroom

Postby Luis A M » Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:25 pm

Good idea,this is what I´m doing. :wink:
Didn´t you see this? viewtopic.php?f=232&t=9214
I use 10 g BRTs but most people use 20s.It is a widespread opinion that larger larval tanks work better.
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Re: Advises for new fishroom

Postby Amie » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:11 am

A kreisel is basically a way of keeping the water flowing in a slow circular pattern. Most kreisels are round and have some sort of air flow at the bottom of one end, which is enough to keep the water flowing up and back down the other side. Kreisels are known to work great with baby seahorses. The water flows just enough to keep the babies from settling on the bottom and to keep the food in suspension.

An upflow is where air or water, is released at the bottom of a tank and flows upward. The flow of the water is not necessarily altered, or does not move in a circular pattern, like the kreisel. Something like hatching eggs would be a good example of when an upflow would be used. You would want the eggs to be constantly moving so they did not settle on the bottom or become stagnant. So you might place them in a smaller container with an airline underneath them in order to keep them constantly moving.

Let me know if you would like a couple of examples. I am sure I can find some on the site.
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Re: Advises for new fishroom

Postby Frankyreef » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:12 pm

Good evening!
I cannot take a decision about the structure of my aquaria.
I afraid to use steel and have rust issue.
Wood could be a solution or Siporex?
Do you have exemple of structure and advises for a longer term installation?
Thank you very much for your help!!!
Difficult to choice alone!!!
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Re: Advises for new fishroom

Postby Frankyreef » Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:03 pm

I will probably start the installation of the structure like my picture of the beginning.
But I would like some informations about the size of the wood (or inox) to use.
I will put 500L per shelf of 2m.
Do you think it is possible?
Thank you very much per advance!
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Re: Advises for new fishroom

Postby Luis A M » Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:26 pm

Any way will do.Painted steel will last some years.Stainless steel or galvanized much longer.Many people make their stands in wood.You should ask at the hardware store about resistance of these materials.
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Re: Advises for new fishroom

Postby Frankyreef » Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:41 pm

Ok thanks!
I hope show you pictures of them very soon!
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Re: Advises for new fishroom

Postby Luis A M » Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:27 pm

A propos,i just checked my last painted iron stand,10 years old,and found some places so badly rusted that could fall apart any time. :shock: .Planning to have a new one made in stainless and face the PITA work of moving the tanks. :|
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Re: Advises for new fishroom

Postby Frankyreef » Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:12 am

Some people advise to use only glass.
Somebody had this experience?
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